Indieboy

Stop gigging! Seriously, think about what you're doing!!!

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Nice Post. We have just recently come to this conclusion, that gigging every two seconds in London is shit, however that was through bad advice from these types that pretend to be 'in the business'.

Overall though a very helpful post!

Thanks.

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Laudus. Shout it loud. Its good that you emphasise the timing. People often laugh when told that this business is seasonal.
Mind you I still yearn for more Localisation of music, so no one has to go to London at all.

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Hoorah ! I've been saying this for ages - travelling from Wales on Wednesday night to play to 8 people in the Speadeagle in Shoreditch and then drive back home. Soul destroying.

Hi IB,

Like the new logo btw.

Alot of sense here BUT what I would say also is that there is a time in your growth as an act that you need to do all of this. There no better time to learn how to be on stage or try out songs and find out what it is you are about..... than when there are very few people in the room. I know you're aiming this post at those who feel they are label ready or whatever but for those that may be still finding out who, and what they are, gigs are important not matter how many people are there. Then once you go thru that stage and know what you are, it is important to think 'hang on?!?' what am I doing here and thats where your post comes in. You know yourself when you've seen an act thats comfortable on stage and one thats not.

later

Nige

excellent post. some quick thoughts:

1) Playing crap gigs is a rite of passage and part of the deal
2) Playing great gigs is why most of us do this
3) Just because Jimi Hendrix tuned his mate's guitar in the basement of a venue does not enhance the magical properties of the venue to help your gig any
4) Playing outside of London can remind you of how great it is to play live
5) In London I have found a couple of promoters that love music and put on great nights. They aren't the most well known venues but the nights have the best sense of community and are a joy to play at. I hustle less for gigs and stick to the venues that show some love.
6) If you're an acoustic based artist put on your own little home shows. We just did a show we called "The Living Room Sessions" - just a room with a bunch of friends and wine and a little band setup - best gig ever. There was lots of banter and everyone that was there is still talking about it. We filmed it too and were able to get really good recording quality as we controlled the environment. You can check it out at krismorris.com. That tiny little gig has done more to get people behind what I do than any amount of gigging in normal London venues.

Phew.
I really like the sound of the 'home gig' thing.
Yeah - its such great fun. We're planning to do one every six weeks or so. We'll invite different friends to play and make them really intimate, relaxed, music focussed nights. The kind of thing people won't want to miss. I'm really excited about it.
Great post.
A lot of what you are saying there is something we have recently been thinking about quite a lot.
We have only our second ever London gig coming up in June...weve got a coach laid on, and its costing us quite a bit...but we have 3 months to prepare for it, so we can hopefully make it worthwhile.

Creating a buzz on the local scene seems to be being mentioned a lot at the moment...I think we should all take notice of that.
Bands that organise gigs in their local park are very high in my estimation ( oops should point vested interest there. I am on the commitee of the Picnic Society)
Go Local!
Gigging is never pointless in my opinion.. It's what evey good musician and band exists to do. It is, however, pointless if you are gigging with the sole purpose of 'getting noticed' or 'creating a buzz'.. I don't gig to 'get noticed' anymore because I've done my networking in that respect elsewhere. I gig because I enjoy it, I enjoy entertaining people, and every gig makes me a better musician.

Also a viable point is the bands who gig and rehearse constantly make better and cheaper records. Bands who can just go into the studio and put something down quickly are few and far between in this age of pro tools.. :-).. In fact indieboy, you should be actively encourage gigging, as it'll save everyone at Columbia some cash further down the line, when you're signing bands who know their instruments, their sound, and their songs inside out.. :-)
I agree totally. I'm not saying to stop gigging. I'm referring directly to gigging in London, which isn't the best thing to do. I think bands should gig all the time, but not at hefty cost to them or damaging to their perceived value from an industry perspective. Which is what happens in London. Some venues have even started charging bands to play in the form of making them buy tickets in advance. Crazyness.
ah but it's tough for us Londoners.. we have to gig somewhere.. ;-).. I do agree, the venues on the toilet circuit are utterly pointless and a waste of space.. although I would tell any band that they shouldn't expect to make money from gigging anyway... as for a band's perceived value from an industry perspective.. UG.. I dunno what to say about that.. ;-) i have friends who have gigged for years and finally broken through, simply because of a change in trends, or one vital connection made irrespective of gigging.. and the upside for them is they're much better bands because they're older and wiser... I think my point is the moment people stop thinking so hard about what they have to do to please the 'industry', the better their music will become, and the more interested the 'industry' will be...
True, and I know several veteran bands that have be signed up.

Artists should do what they want, but they need to act in the way that suits their needs. If they want investment in the band they've got to understand what is desirable to those who are going to be making the investment. That doesn't mean changing their music as such, But they need to make sure they're perceived in the best possible way. Once 'in' they can pretty much run riot. There's just too much stuff out there to simply put yourself 'out there'. Though I could be totally wrong, it's been ages since I gigged.
I do agree with Susie in the sense that the more gigs you do the more you get to know your songs. And I'm sure record companies would find a band who could record a good enough album in 2 weeks for £5000 a lot more financially viable than a band who could record a debut album in 9 months for £30,000, not saying cheap albums are always best just if you can lay the songs down nice and quick it might make an attractive incentive. But then again this might not be true as I'm sure Indieboy will now correct me on :D.

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It's always a good idea to actually think about what you're doing :D

I would've thought the best gigs to get are on Student Union gig circuit. Start at your "local" Universities/colleges and go further afield as you develop. You could always video record the events, post them on your various websites to showcase the songs and performance (obviously) but also gets some audience reaction (well if it's good!).

Surely playing at venues where people activiley "want" to be there to listen to new music rather than consume it passively are the best places to seek out. If you don't know where the venues are, apart from reading the various musically based magazines/websites, it might mean a pub crawl - but hey - someones gotta do it. Some of the great bands played/toured to audiences of just the bar staff - I agree it's almost an unwritten right of passage, but equally agree with the soul destroying factor - but I think you probably need to experience it, if nothing else it makes good reading in twenty years time when your writing your autobiography!

The trend is going to be DRY gigs with a much more appreciative and energetic audiences, rather like when it all started. Its the bands that cash in at the beginning will benefit. Those that are set in their ways and don't have the nerve will fall by the wayside pretty quickly .

Re- "Think about what you are doing and why"

Playing Devil's Advocate -

Does the world need anymore musical acts or records or songs and if so why?

Arn't there enough already? Bob Dylan posed a question something like this in an interview in relation to songs. It makes you think about your purpose I guess!

Are the best songs written? Are the best styles done to death? Why would anyone want any more music? Hasn't Elvis done it all? Is it all about making money? If so is this the easiest way?

The Devil U know!

Some people write songs for their own pleasure, whilst other will probably write for a commercial end. It still takes skill to right a song to someones specification. The success of a song is not only the song itself but who performs it, or even how it is produced. There's only a finite number of subject matter to cover - it's just the various "takes" that make the difference.

As a performing band who writes and performs their own material - you have the advantage over a non-performing songwriter - so you stand a better chance than many.

We've started to build a small following in London having done all of two reasonably well promoted gigs (inc. the end of camden effort which was our first ever out of town escapade) and had a lovely time, so it can't be all bad.

I agree that the best part of being in a band is playing live, I do like to have a good sing.

Ben

Another excellent post, with lot's for bands to think about.

Thanks for taking the time to write this!

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